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Pad Counter‑Melodies from Scratch (Oldskool DnB Vibes) — Ableton Live 🎛️

1) Lesson overview

In classic jungle / early DnB, pads aren’t just “atmosphere”—they’re harmonic glue and counter‑movement against the bassline and break. This lesson is about writing pad counter‑melodies that:

  • feel 90s / oldskool, slightly nostalgic but still rolling
  • stay out of the bass’ way
  • create forward motion using voice leading, rhythm, and filter movement
  • sit correctly in an Ableton Live mix without killing the drums 🥁
  • Assuming you already know harmony basics, arrangement, and can drive Live fast.

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    2) What you will build

    You’ll create a 2–4 bar pad counter‑melody system consisting of:

  • Pad Instrument Rack (layered, wide, controlled)
  • MIDI pattern designed for counterpoint against a rolling bass
  • Automation for filter, movement, and tension
  • Arrangement placement (intro → drop support → breakdown lift)
  • Mix chain that’s jungle‑friendly (space + grit + sidechain)
  • Target vibe references (conceptually): Moving Shadow / Good Looking / classic Liquid + darker rollers—pads that feel like air, but with purpose.

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    3) Step‑by‑step walkthrough

    Step 0 — Prep the musical context (so the pad has a job)

    1. Tempo: 165–175 BPM (start at 172).

    2. Key: pick something pad‑friendly and dark (e.g., F minor or G# minor).

    3. Have a bassline loop and drum loop playing (even a rough one).

    Your pad counter‑melody must be written against these, not in isolation.

    Ableton workflow tip:

    Group your drums + bass into a “Rhythm BUS” group. Keep pads separate for easy sidechain/muting.

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    Step 1 — Choose the harmonic “home” (oldskool friendly chord language)

    Oldskool DnB pads often lean on:

  • minor 7 / minor 9
  • sus2 / sus4
  • add9 voicings
  • simple progressions with voice-leading movement
  • Try a 2‑bar loop progression (examples in F minor):

  • Fm9 → Dbmaj7(#11) (dreamy but still deep)
  • Fm7 → Eb6/9 (classic liquid/jungle warmth)
  • Fm9 → Cm7 (darker, less “pretty”)
  • Keep it minimal: the pad counter‑melody can imply harmony without playing full triads constantly.

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    Step 2 — Build the pad instrument (stock devices, oldskool palette) 🎚️

    #### Option A: “90s Smooth Air Pad” using Wavetable (fast + flexible)

    1. Create a MIDI track: Pads – Counter

    2. Load Wavetable

    3. Set:

    - Osc 1: Basic Shapes → sine/triangle region (position ~10–20%)

    - Osc 2: Basic Shapes → slightly brighter (position ~25–40%), -12 semitones (sub layer OFF later via EQ)

    - Unison: Classic or Shimmer, 2–4 voices, Amount 15–25%

    4. Filter:

    - LP24 (or LP12 if you want softer)

    - Cutoff around 600–2.5k (we’ll automate)

    - Drive 2–6% (subtle)

    5. Amp envelope:

    - Attack 25–60 ms

    - Decay 2–4 s

    - Sustain -6 to -12 dB

    - Release 1.5–4 s

    Then add in this order (classic pad chain):

  • Chorus-Ensemble: Mode Ensemble, Amount 20–35%, Rate 0.15–0.35 Hz
  • Echo (or Delay): 1/8 or 1/4 dotted, Feedback 15–30%, Filtered highs (HP ~300 Hz, LP ~6–8k)
  • Reverb: Decay 3–6 s, Pre‑delay 10–25 ms, Low Cut 250–450 Hz, High Cut 6–9k
  • EQ Eight: HP 200–400 Hz, dip 250–500 Hz if muddy, gentle shelf down above 10k if hissy
  • Rule: pads in DnB are midrange emotion, not low-end weight.

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    #### Option B: “Gritty Jungle Wash” using Operator (more raw)

  • Operator:
  • - Algorithm: simple (A→Out, B→Out)

    - A: sine/triangle

    - B: saw-ish (increase harmonic content via Fixed off, add mild level)

  • Add Saturator (Soft Clip ON, Drive 2–6 dB)
  • Add Auto Filter (LP, slight resonance 10–20%, automated cutoff)
  • Add Redux very subtly (Downsample tiny amount) for that crunchy air (don’t overdo)
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    Step 3 — Write the counter‑melody (not “pad chords”) ✍️

    You’re not writing block chords. You’re writing a moving top‑voice line supported by a few held tones.

    #### A practical method: “Anchor + Answer”

    1. In MIDI, create a 2‑bar clip.

    2. Decide an anchor note (often the 5th or 9th works great). In F minor:

    - Anchor options: C (5th) or G (9th)

    3. Write a short call/answer rhythm that avoids stepping on snares.

    DnB placement tip:

    Snare often hits on 2 and 4. Keep your pad movement:

  • just before the snare (anticipation)
  • or after the snare (response)
  • and let it hold through hits rather than attack on them (cleaner)
  • #### Example rhythmic idea (2 bars):

  • Bar 1: a soft chord hit on 1, small melodic move on 1.3 and 1.4.2
  • Bar 2: answer on 2.2 and resolve on 4.4
  • Use velocities as phrasing: main notes 80–100, passing tones 45–70.

    #### Counterpoint rules that work in rollers:

  • If the bass is moving down, let the top pad voice move up (and vice versa).
  • Avoid landing pad accents on the same exact subdivisions as the bass “hook.”
  • Keep the pad’s lowest note above ~C3 (often higher), so it doesn’t fight bass harmonics.
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    Step 4 — Voice the chord so it feels oldskool and wide (without mud)

    Use inversions and open voicings:

  • Put the root not always in the pad. Let bass own the root.
  • Spread tones: 7th/9th up top is very “Good Looking-era”.
  • Technique: “Two notes + color note”

    Instead of full triads:

  • hold 5th + 7th, add 9th as a moving note
  • Example in F minor:

  • Hold: C + Eb (5th + 7th)
  • Move: G (9th) → Ab (minor 3rd) → G
  • This implies harmony while staying light.

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    Step 5 — Make it move (automation + modulation) 🌊

    Pads in oldskool DnB often have subtle evolution.

    #### Automation checklist (choose 2–3 max)

  • Auto Filter cutoff: slow rise over 8–16 bars into the drop
  • Filter resonance: tiny increase at phrase ends
  • Chorus amount: increase in breakdown for width
  • Reverb dry/wet: more in intro, less in drop
  • Ableton device approach:

  • Put Auto Filter after the synth.
  • - Rate: 0.05–0.12 Hz if using LFO

    - Or draw manual automation for the cutoff (more intentional)

    Pro move:

    Use Max for Live LFO (if available) to modulate filter cutoff by 5–10% with a very slow rate. It gives “tape life” without obvious wobble.

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    Step 6 — Glue it into the groove (sidechain + transient control) 🔥

    Pads can smear drums if you don’t control them.

    #### Sidechain (clean DnB style)

    1. Add Compressor to the pad track

    2. Enable Sidechain

    3. Input: Kick (or a dedicated ghost trigger)

    4. Settings starting point:

    - Ratio 3:1

    - Attack 5–15 ms (keep pad transient soft, don’t click)

    - Release 80–160 ms (tune to groove)

    - Gain reduction: 2–6 dB

    If you want oldskool pump, go heavier and shorten release.

    #### EQ carving (mandatory)

  • EQ Eight
  • - HP at 250–450 Hz (depends on bass thickness)

    - Gentle dip at 300–600 Hz if it masks snare body

    - If hats get dull, reduce pad energy around 6–10k only if needed (don’t kill all air)

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    Step 7 — Arrangement: where pad counter‑melodies actually work in DnB 🧱

    A pad counter‑melody is most effective when it’s phrased like a vocal hook—appearing and disappearing.

    Practical arrangement plan (32 bars):

  • Bars 1–9 (intro): pad is wide + wet, filter closed, more reverb
  • Bars 9–17 (build): automate cutoff up, reduce reverb slightly
  • Bars 17–33 (drop A): pad is tighter (less reverb), sidechained, plays half the time (leave holes)
  • Bars 33–49 (drop B or variation): transpose the counter‑melody up +3 or +5 semitones briefly or change the answer phrase rhythm
  • Breakdown: pad opens up again, add an extra color note (9th/11th), more stereo
  • DnB trick: mute the pad for 2 beats right before a phrase change to create impact. Silence hits hard at 172 BPM.

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    4) Common mistakes ❌

    1. Pad owns the root + bass owns the root → harmonic mud and weak bass perception.

    2. Too much low-mid (200–500 Hz) → instantly masks snare and break crunch.

    3. Attacking on 2 and 4 with bright transients → competes with snare.

    4. Over-wide mono-incompatible pad → disappears in clubs.

    (Check with Utility → Width 0% briefly.)

    5. Too many chord changes → feels like trance/house, not rolling DnB.

    6. Reverb during the drop is uncontrolled → smear + loss of punch.

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    5) Pro tips for darker/heavier DnB 🕶️

  • Use minor 2nd tension sparingly: add a note one semitone above a chord tone, quietly (velocity 20–40) to create unease.
  • Filter drive + saturation > more notes:
  • Add Roar (or Saturator) lightly to bring pad forward without density.

  • Mid/Side EQ:
  • Use EQ Eight in M/S mode:

    - Cut lows in Side below 250–400 Hz

    - Keep center slightly stronger for translation

  • Stereo discipline:
  • Put Utility last:

    - Bass mono isn’t relevant to pads, but keep pad low mids tight.

  • Rhythmic gating (subtle):
  • Use Auto Pan as a tremolo (Phase 0°, not panning):

    - Rate 1/8 or 1/16

    - Amount 10–25%

    This creates movement that locks with breaks without obvious chopping.

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    6) Mini practice exercise 🎯

    Goal: Write 3 variations of the same pad counter‑melody, each 2 bars, and arrange them over a 64‑bar roller.

    1. Pick key F minor.

    2. Make a 2‑bar bass loop that hits on offbeats (simple rolling pattern).

    3. Create your pad rack (Wavetable + Chorus-Ensemble + Echo + Reverb + EQ).

    4. Write Variation A: “Anchor + Answer” with only 3–4 notes.

    5. Duplicate clip:

    - Variation B: same rhythm, change only the last note to a darker resolution.

    - Variation C: same notes, but shift the answer phrase one 1/16 later (micro-syncopation).

    6. Arrange:

    - A in bars 17–25

    - B in bars 25–33

    - C in bars 41–49

    7. Export a quick bounce and listen on low volume: can you still feel the melody without it being loud?

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    7) Recap ✅

  • Oldskool DnB pad counter‑melodies are midrange, voice-led, rhythmic, and arranged with restraint.
  • Build a pad that’s wide but controlled, then write a moving top voice rather than thick chord blocks.
  • Use automation for evolution and sidechain + EQ for punch.
  • In arrangement, pads should appear in phrases, not run nonstop—space is part of the vibe.

If you tell me your current track key + bass pattern style (reese/2-step/techy), I can propose 2–3 specific counter‑melody note maps and an Ableton Instrument Rack tailored to it. 🎶

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Title: Pad counter-melodies from scratch for oldskool DnB vibes (Advanced)

Alright, let’s get into some real oldskool DNA here. Because in classic jungle and early drum and bass, pads aren’t just background fog. The best pads are doing a job: they’re the harmonic glue, and they’re a counter-line that moves against the bass and the breaks.

In this lesson, you’re going to build a two to four bar pad counter-melody system that feels 90s, slightly nostalgic, still rolling, and most importantly, it stays out of the bass’s way and it doesn’t kill your drums.

So open Ableton Live, and don’t write this pad in isolation. That’s the fastest way to get something that sounds pretty but doesn’t work in a tune.

Step zero: set the context so the pad has a purpose.
Set your tempo somewhere in the 165 to 175 zone. Let’s pick 172 BPM as a sweet spot. Choose a dark, pad-friendly key. F minor is perfect for this lesson, or G-sharp minor if you want it a bit sharper.

Now, get a drum loop and a bass loop going. Even if it’s rough. You need the break and the bass doing their thing, because the pad counter-melody is going to be written into the gaps they leave behind.

Quick Ableton workflow tip: group drums and bass into a “Rhythm BUS.” Keep pads outside that group. It makes muting, sidechaining, and balancing way faster.

Now Step one: choose the harmonic home.
Oldskool DnB pads love chord colors that feel emotional but not “big EDM.” Think minor 7s, minor 9s, sus2, sus4, add9. Simple progressions, with voice leading doing the heavy lifting.

Here are a few two-bar ideas in F minor that work instantly:
Fm9 to Dbmaj7 sharp 11, which is dreamy but still deep.
Or Fm7 to Eb6/9, very classic warm liquid-jungle language.
Or Fm9 to Cm7, darker, less pretty, more roller.

And here’s a key concept: your pad doesn’t have to play full block chords all the time. It can imply harmony with just a couple guide tones and one moving note.

Step two: build the pad instrument using stock devices.
We’ll do the smooth 90s air pad first, using Wavetable.

Create a MIDI track called “Pads – Counter.” Load Wavetable.
Oscillator one: Basic Shapes, around the sine to triangle area, so it’s soft. Think position roughly 10 to 20 percent.
Oscillator two: also Basic Shapes, but a little brighter, maybe 25 to 40 percent. Set it down 12 semitones if you like the thickness, but we’re going to high-pass later, so don’t get attached to that low layer.

Turn on Unison: Classic or Shimmer, two to four voices, keep the amount modest, like 15 to 25 percent. We want width, not a seasick supersaw.

For the filter, go LP24 if you want more control, LP12 if you want it gentler. Set the cutoff somewhere in the 600 Hz to 2.5 kHz zone to start, because we’ll automate it. Add a touch of drive, like two to six percent, just to bring it forward.

Amp envelope: attack 25 to 60 milliseconds. That matters, because you don’t want a clicky transient fighting the snare. Decay two to four seconds, sustain down a bit, and release somewhere between one and a half to four seconds so the tail breathes.

Now the classic pad chain, in this order.
Chorus-Ensemble, mode on Ensemble, amount 20 to 35 percent, slow rate around 0.15 to 0.35 Hz.
Then Echo: use an eighth note or dotted quarter depending on how busy your drums are. Keep feedback 15 to 30 percent. High-pass around 300 Hz, low-pass around six to eight k so it doesn’t spray bright delay everywhere.
Then Reverb: decay three to six seconds, pre-delay 10 to 25 milliseconds, low cut 250 to 450 Hz, high cut six to nine k.
Then EQ Eight: high-pass 200 to 400 Hz. If it’s muddy, dip around 250 to 500. If it’s hissy, gently tame above 10 k.

Rule of the genre: pads in DnB are midrange emotion, not low-end weight. If your pad is “warm” because it’s huge in the lows, it’s not warm, it’s just masking your bass and snare.

Optional alternate: if you want a grittier jungle wash, use Operator.
Keep a simple algorithm with two oscillators going straight to output. One sine or triangle, one more saw-ish. Add Saturator with Soft Clip on, drive two to six dB. Then Auto Filter low-pass with a little resonance, and if you want that crunchy air, a very subtle Redux. Tiny. If you can hear the bitcrush clearly, you overdid it.

Step three: write the counter-melody. Not “pad chords.”
This is where people mess up. The goal is a moving top voice line, supported by a couple held tones. Think counterpoint, not keyboard block harmony.

We’ll use a method called Anchor plus Answer.
Create a two-bar MIDI clip.
Pick an anchor note. In F minor, C is your fifth, and G is your ninth. Both are perfect anchors. Let’s say we pick C.

Now, before you place notes, listen to your drums and bass and find the holes. This is huge: start from the bass holes, not from the chords. If the bass is sustaining, that’s often where the pad can sneak in motion. If the bass is doing a busy hook, your pad should probably chill and hold.

DnB placement tip: your snare is usually on two and four. Try not to make your pad “speak” right on those hits. Instead, let it anticipate just before, or answer just after. And it’s totally fine if the pad holds through the snare. It’s the attacks that clutter things.

Here’s a practical rhythmic idea you can aim for without getting too literal:
Bar one: a soft hit on beat one, then a small move around beat one-and-a-half-ish and again late in the bar, like a little question.
Bar two: the answer comes in after beat two, then resolves near the end of the bar so it feels like a sentence finishing.

Use velocities as phrasing. Your main notes around 80 to 100. Passing tones 45 to 70. And if you do a tension note, even lower, like 20 to 40.

Counterpoint rules that work in rollers:
If your bass line is moving down, try making the top pad voice move up. If your bass rises, let the pad fall. Contrary motion creates that “two things interlocking” feeling.
Avoid landing accents on the same subdivisions as the bass hook.
And keep the pad’s lowest note above roughly C3. Higher is often better. Let the bass own the ground.

Now Step four: voicing, so it feels oldskool and wide, without mud.
Oldskool pads often avoid stating the root constantly. That’s the bass’s job. Instead, pads sell the mood with guide tones, especially thirds and sevenths, plus an occasional ninth or eleventh.

Try this technique: two notes plus a color note.
In F minor, you can hold C and Eb, that’s the fifth and the seventh. Then the moving color note can be G, the ninth, and maybe it briefly goes to Ab, the minor third, then back to G.

So you’re not hammering full chords. You’re implying the harmony, and the listener’s brain fills in the rest. That’s where the nostalgia lives.

Extra coach note here: implied harmony via guide tones is your best friend. Build voicings from the important notes, not the complete chord spelling. In minor, the flat third and flat seventh are the “identity.” In major-type colors, the third and seventh define it. Let the bass handle the root and the power.

Step five: make it move. Subtle evolution is the whole vibe.
Pick two or three automations max. If you automate everything, it stops feeling like taste and starts feeling like a science project.

Great options:
Auto Filter cutoff rising slowly over 8 or 16 bars into the drop.
A tiny resonance lift at phrase ends.
More chorus in the breakdown for width.
More reverb in the intro, less in the drop.

In Ableton, I like to put Auto Filter after the synth, then either draw cutoff automation deliberately, or use a super slow LFO. If you have Max for Live, add an LFO and modulate the cutoff by only five to ten percent. The goal is “tape life,” not audible wobble.

And here’s a movement trick that feels incredibly 90s: build an Instrument Rack and map a few small ranges to one macro called DRIFT. Map a little filter cutoff, a little chorus amount, a touch of echo feedback, and a tiny reverb dry/wet range. Then record yourself moving DRIFT slowly over time. One gesture, organic evolution.

Step six: glue it into the groove. Sidechain and transient control.
Pads smear breaks if you let them. So we’re going to duck them cleanly.

Add a Compressor on the pad track. Turn on Sidechain. Feed it from the kick, or even better, a dedicated ghost trigger if your kick pattern is sparse.

Starting settings:
Ratio 3 to 1.
Attack 5 to 15 milliseconds. That keeps the pad soft, avoids clicks.
Release 80 to 160 milliseconds. Tune this to the groove. Too fast feels nervous, too slow feels like the pad disappears.
Aim for two to six dB gain reduction.

If you want that obvious oldskool pump, go heavier and shorten release, but keep it musical.

EQ carving is not optional.
High-pass the pad around 250 to 450 Hz depending on your bass and how thick your drums are.
If the snare body is getting masked, dip 300 to 600.
And if hats feel dulled, you might be overdoing pad energy in the six to ten k zone, but don’t kill all the air unless you really need to.

Advanced trick: if the snare is getting covered but you don’t want to nuke the whole pad with EQ, use Multiband Dynamics to gently duck the mid band, roughly 300 Hz to 4 k, when the snare hits. That keeps the pad breathing but gets out of the way where it matters.

Step seven: arrangement. This is where counter-melodies become “music” instead of “layer.”
Pads should appear and disappear like a hook. Think phrases.

Here’s a practical 32-bar plan:
Intro, bars one to nine: pad wide and wet, filter closed, more reverb.
Build, bars nine to seventeen: automate cutoff up, reduce reverb a bit.
Drop A, bars seventeen to thirty-three: pad tighter, less reverb, sidechained, and crucially, it plays only about half the time. Leave holes.
Drop B or variation: transpose the counter-melody briefly up three or five semitones, or keep the notes but change the answer rhythm.
Breakdown: open it back up, maybe add an extra color note like a ninth or eleventh, more stereo.

And a seriously effective DnB trick: mute the pad for two beats right before a phrase change. At 172 BPM, silence hits hard. Then bring it back and it sounds like the track just leveled up.

Quick checklist of common mistakes to avoid.
If both pad and bass are owning the root, it gets muddy and the bass feels weaker.
Too much low-mid around 200 to 500 will mask snare and break crunch instantly.
If your pad attacks right on two and four with brightness, it’s fighting the snare.
If it’s too wide and not mono compatible, it’ll disappear in clubs. Do a quick Utility width to zero check. If the counter-line vanishes, you need a stronger center or less phasey width.
Too many chord changes can push it toward trance or house. DnB likes restraint.
And uncontrolled reverb in the drop will smear your punch.

Now, a few pro tips if you want darker, heavier energy.
Use a minor second tension note sparingly. One semitone-above note, very quiet, at the end of a phrase, can create unease without turning into jazz soup.
Often filter drive plus light saturation will bring the pad forward better than adding more notes.
Use mid/side EQ: cut Side lows below 250 to 400 so your width lives higher up, and your mix translates.
For subtle rhythmic gating that locks to breaks, use Auto Pan as tremolo: set phase to zero degrees so it’s volume modulation, not panning. Rate one-eighth or one-sixteenth, amount 10 to 25 percent. Just enough to “breathe” with the groove.

Let’s do a mini practice exercise so you actually internalize this.
Goal: three variations of the same two-bar pad counter-melody, arranged over a 64-bar roller.

Pick F minor.
Make a simple two-bar bass loop, offbeat rolling pattern.
Build your pad rack: Wavetable into Chorus-Ensemble, Echo, Reverb, EQ.
Write Variation A using Anchor plus Answer with only three to four notes.
Duplicate it to make Variation B: keep rhythm the same, change only the last note to a darker resolution.
Duplicate again for Variation C: same notes, but shift the answer phrase one sixteenth later, just a micro-syncopation.

Arrange them like this:
Variation A around bars seventeen to twenty-five.
Variation B bars twenty-five to thirty-three.
Variation C bars forty-one to forty-nine.

Then do the real test: bounce a quick export and listen at low volume. If you can still feel the counter-line without it being loud, you nailed the writing. If it only works when it’s turned up, it’s not a counter-melody yet, it’s just a layer.

One last advanced mindset that will take you from “cool loop” to “finished tune.”
Think in eight-bar sentences, even if your clip is two bars.
Bars one to two: statement.
Three to four: tiny lift, one passing tone.
Five to six: answer, maybe a register change or slight rhythmic displacement.
Seven to eight: taper, remove the color note, close the filter a touch.

That’s arrangement musicality, and it’s the exact difference between a pad that sits there and a pad that tells a story.

Recap.
Oldskool DnB pad counter-melodies are midrange, voice-led, rhythmic, and arranged with restraint.
Build a pad that’s wide but controlled.
Write a moving top voice, not thick block chords.
Automate subtly for evolution.
Use sidechain and EQ so the drums stay king.
And phrase the pad like a hook: on, off, holes, returns.

If you want, tell me your track key and what your bass is doing, like reese roller, two-step, techy pattern, whatever. And I can suggest a couple specific guide-tone maps, like which thirds and sevenths to lean on, plus two or three voicing options that won’t muddy your low end.

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